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Individualism vs Collectivism by Valendale Individualism vs Collectivism by Valendale
"You know what's absolute bullshit? The idea of 'Individualism vs. Collectivism.' People throw it at you like the world is 'John Wayne vs. The Borg,' except neither is real. Sure, they make great fiction, but in real life EVERY human being is an individual and EVERY individual is part of a Collective and there's nothing wrong with that. No one can change it and no one should - it's how we evolved. It's how we survived. 'The Individual. vs Society' is a false dichotomy because the two are not contradictory - they are COMPLEMENTARY."
-Brenton Lengel
Playwright, Activist, Anarchist.
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner May 10, 2014
Hm... I'm a norm-breaker because I find the thins people do collectively to be pretty fucking retarded, like traditions and norms. What is your thoughts on this perspective of mine?
-with love from an Agnostic 
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Valendale Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Many people feel that way, but you're still part of a society, you have electricity, water, medicine and food beyond what anyone could achieve alone. You're part of a collective, and an individual who questions group think.
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner May 11, 2014
I'm not saying that I'm not part of a social group and that it doesn't give some advantages, like power in numbers. But getting conformed because of collectivism is the same as being brainwashed, which makes individualism vs collectivism make more sense, this guy probably just doesn't see it in that light. The world isn't as black and white as some would like it to be.
-with love from an Agnostic 
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Valendale Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
One of the themes about the Borg that came up in Star Trek was that the Federation was a vast collective of individuals and cultures unified into a single federation, whereas the borg was a collective based on forced assimilation and the destruction of the individual.

The way I look at it, any time I make a decision with a group of friends I'm taking part in collective decision making. It's something so natural to us we give no thought to it. To take one extreme view we could all be brainwashed in everything from the languages we speak to our hygiene habits, another way to look at it is that society as a whole is a collective and we're each individuals picking up pieces of information and ways of thinking and making them our own.

Then of course there are cults and irrational groups, one way to look at marketing is that most marketing is essentially attempted brainwashing, then there's propaganda designed to manufacture the options of entire groups of people, but whether it's brainwashing could depend on a lot of things.

To me the primary characteristic of brainwashing is the deliberate use of lies, misinformation, red herrings, non sequiturs, and emotional manipulation to shape someone's opinion and actions.
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Emilion-3 Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well said I must admit.
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RobertQualls27 Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I won't say I haven't had similar trains of thought, but that is alot deeper than I have gone with it.
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ryu238 Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
I admit this makes some good sense. 
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GodDragonKing Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
That was very eye opening.
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DarkRiderDLMC Featured By Owner May 7, 2014
This is actually though provoking.
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